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East Coast Baseball League – Q & A With Owner Colin Cummins

5/20/2015 *UPDATE* The ECBL will not be going on as planned. Read all about it HERE – The East Coast Baseball League Ends Before Ever Playing a Game. 

The independent baseball world will have two new leagues looking to start up for the 2015 season.  One, the MRPBL, has previously been covered on this blog.  The other, the East Coast Baseball League, is being featured in this post.

The East Coast Baseball League (ECBL) will play in both the United States and Canada.  Currently there are four teams established, but the league is looking to add two more before the season begins in May.

I recently had the pleasure of asking the owner and league director, Colin Cummins, some questions about the league and his expectations.

What made you want to start your own independent league?

We actually looked to start out, as a single team, in the CanAm League. The CanAm thought that our area was too small, and we were turned down. So the thought of building a league was the next venture. I actually thought we were CRAZY and now look where we are.

What cities are your franchises in? And why did you choose those locations?

Niagara Wild (Welland, ON), Waterloo Whiskey Jacks (Waterloo, ON), Newburgh Newts (Newburgh, NY) and Watertown (Watertown, NY).
We are looking to add 2 more teams by the end of next week. All of our current cities, with the exception of Waterloo, have had professional baseball before.
These cities deserve to have professional baseball in their communities. Waterloo is new to everything, but they are a baseball/sports community. I believe we can make this work.

What are your expectations for fan attendance and community involvement?

My expectations aren’t too lofty. I truly believe for our first year that if we average around 300 fans a game, we will break even. We need something to build on each year. The on field product and in game entertainment will be another decision maker for individuals, groups, families and corporate fans. It’s a building and awareness year for us.

Starting a league, finding stadiums/cities and sponsors, as well as paying players and employees seems like it could come with a hefty price tag during the beginning. We’ve seen a lot of independent leagues go dark due to finances, plus keeping professional baseball in Canada seems to be a struggle as well. Do you have any worries about that or about how you are going to finance the league?

If I said No, I would be lying. You try to come up with a strategy and run with it. I have my concerns. We are not the main users at some fields, waiting for schedules, not having control over certain aspects and lastly, not having the right finances for it all. ‎ With this being a building year, I hope to have the right people in the right places. I have some silent investors above me. We talk all the time. We don’t want to lose any money, but we understand that it takes money to make money.

Do you foresee any problems running a new independent league that operates in two countries?

I don’t know right now! We hope that everyone has a clean background. We hope that everyone is able to get a passport and can travel to and from. It’s hard to foresee things. We just have to be better than good. Even our umpires will be under that scrutiny.

How exactly does the pay system work for players? Are they given host families, transportation, and meals?

Our pay scale is $500 for rookies to $850 for a veteran. We are looking for host families. We are talking to charter bus lines or looking to purchase a bus and each player and coach will receive a $25 stipend per away game.

Do you expect the players to get a fair look from scouts with a chance to move up to affiliated ball?

I think we will assemble a product that MLB and other indy leagues will like. I expect our coaching staffs to try and move players who deserve the opportunity and showcase the up and comers.

Have you taken any ideas/structures/rules from any other independent league when creating the ECBL?

Yes I have! These guys have helped build successful brands and leagues. I would be stupid not to take a little from here and there.

A lot of people on independent league message boards have concerns with a league owning every franchise. Do you see this as a problem now or even further down the road?

I don’t want to own every team. I would like to have an owner for every team. But if that is not possible right away, then the league will help out until we can find a potential owner. We are looking for owners, and we have had talks with a variety of potentials. It comes down to the right fit. You don’t just give ownerships away because there is money. The right fit needs to be involved.

The track record for new independent leagues isn’t very good. What are you doing to ensure that your league sticks around for the long run?

Hopefully, not follow the same path. Find successful ownerships, (the right fits), let the communities know we are there for them, market the brand properly, advertise properly and know your demographics. ‎LISTEN and LEARN.

I know that you have been working with the Myrtle Beach Winter League. Can you tell me how that is going? Are you planning on signing players from that league for the ECBL?

I put on the Myrtle Beach Winter League. We offered 16 contracts to players and offered 10 spring training invites. It was a learning experience for me. I made mistakes and will look back and say: I did it and I learned.

Is there anything else that you would like the readers to know about you and the ECBL?

Come and catch a game or two. We hope to surprise you!! Good eats, good treats, affordable and fun.

 I would like to thank Colin Cummins for his time and his honest answers. As with any start up league, it may be an uphill battle, but I truly hope to see the league succeed. It is nice to see Independent baseball alive and growing.
You can check out the ECBL website HERE.

Mount Rainier Professional Baseball League – Q&A with Owner/Commissioner Mike Greene

I have previously touched on a new independent league, the Mount Rainier Professional Baseball League (MRPBL), in some of my blog posts. The league, which will operate six teams: Oregon City, Grays Harbor, Skagit Valley, Ellensburg, Glacier, and Moses Lake in three states: Washington, Oregon, and Montana, will hold its first games in May 2015.

Recently, the league’s owner and commissioner, Mike Greene, reached out to me on Facebook and gave me an open invitation to learn more about his league. Greene is very personable, and I’ve had some nice chats with him on various topics. I’ve been wanting to do a post on the MRPBL and thought who better to interview than Greene.

Below is my Q&A interview with Greene:

What made you want to start your own independent league?
I was managing in the Pecos league and coached some very talented baseball players and coached against some very good players. I knew we could put a better product on the field out in Washington with proper marketing, and organization. There are so many players that want to keep their careers going and I wanted to give them another choice to so so.

Why did you choose the cities/locations that you did?
The first criteria was to stay out of cities that had affiliated baseball teams and cities that have West Coast League teams. The second part in picking a location was the size of city. I was looking for cities that were big enough to support a professional baseball team, yet small enough to take pride in a team. Most of our cities are in the 25-40,000 range. Glacier is covering Whitefish, Kalispell and Columbia Falls. Grays Harbor covers Hoquiam and Aberdeen, and Skagit Valley covers Mount Vernon, Burlington and Sedro-Woolley. Ellensburg, and Moses Lake are cities with 20,000 people and Oregon City is Portland Suburb. I have lived in Washington my whole life outside of college coaching jobs that took me to Mississippi, Michigan and Oklahoma. So I knew what cities I wanted to look at. Another big factor is finding a stadium that is available.

What are your expectations for fan attendance and community involvement?
We have had tremendous support from the cities involved. Glacier and Grays Harbor are the most ideal setups because the stadium capacities are larger and the cities have had good support so far in season ticket sales. We are going to do our best to make this a fun family entertainment option. We want our players and coaches to feel like they are part of the community. We will make sure kids that come to the games have interactions with the players and we have a lot of fun events in between innings and in the stands. Our goal attendance wise in the first year is an average of 500 fans a game. Like anything it will take time for everyone to hear about the team in town. So our goal is to make sure that we get the word out as much as possible and have the players doing meet and greets, etc…Have our mascots handing out pocket schedules at schools and in town.

Starting a league, finding stadiums/cities and sponsors, as well as paying players and employees seems like it could come with a hefty price tag during the beginning. We’ve seen a lot of independent leagues go dark due to finances, do you have any worries about that or about how you are going to finance the league?
It is a very large undertaking financing a league of 6 teams. We have a budget to follow, a goal for sponsorship money, and we have to look at keeping costs down as much as possible. The goal is to grow this league from year to year and get stronger. Of course it is a concern, and we have some backers that are in place, but losing money is not the goal here. We will work hard to make it a success. But until we get into the season the fan base could be 300 a game to 1200 a game. Nobody can predict the exact number of fans we will have in each city. We do have enough backing to get us through the inagural season.

How exactly does the pay system work for players? Are they given host families, transportation, and meals?
Players salaries are based on attendance. It is 100-150 a week in pay. It is 150 a week per player if league wide attendance is 450 or above. Managers and General managers salaries are attendance based also. If we are averaging 525 fans league wide, then the pay will be go up for everyone. It gives incentive for our players, and staff to get out in the community and to put on a good show every night. It also keeps us in line with our budgets. They are given host families, post game meals, breakfasts and post game dinners on the road and transportation and hotels on road trips.

Do you expect the players to get a fair look from scouts with a chance to move up to affiliated ball?
Yes I do. We have signed some very good baseball players and most of our coaches are Independent baseball veterans that have connections to get players to affiliated baseball. I believe the level of baseball we are going to have will attract scouts to our games. I know a few of the affiliated scouts for Washington state and so do our managers. Our goal is to provide our players the best possible chance to move on.

I know you managed in the Pecos League previously. (A league that I have covered extensively in my blog.) Is there anything that you are doing that is similar to the Pecos?
Nothing is modeled after the Pecos League, but I learned a lot of things managing there. First the players were great guys. I met a lot of good people there. I felt the fans and communities should have been marketed a lot more than they were. When we played at Alpine you could see some things run the correct way. Trinidad also had some good people running the game day operations. You could feel a little difference in those 2 places for what it could be. I liked my time in the Pecos league and even though there are stories about it, I think the players are thankful there is that option. Everyone would like to fly to cities, take nice charters, play in  front of 4500 or more fans, but there are many players that love this game for the game itself. The Pecos league was a good experience for me.

A lot of people on independent league message boards have concerns with a league having just one owner. Do you see this as a problem now or even further down the road?
I have had talks with a couple of people about selling franchises. What is hard is placing a value on a start up team, in a new league. I would like to sell a couple franchises to take some of the workload and financial stress off of owning all 6 teams. I do not plan on owning all 6 teams in 2016. And I’m open to selling a couple franchises if the right owners came along. I have put a lot of work into starting this league and I’m committed to running 6 franchises in 2015 if nobody purchases a team. But until now it was hard to place a value on some of the franchises. I believe a group from Whitefish will purchase them when it is successful and with Olympic stadium in Grays Harbor I feel a group could be put together in that city to purchase the Gulls. My goal would be to own 4 of the 6 in 2015 and get it to 2 of the 6 in 2016. But my main goal is to make sure this first season is successful and if that means running all 6, then that is what I will do.

The track record for new independent leagues isn’t very good, and we just saw the United League fold after seven years. What are you doing to ensure that your league sticks around for the long run?
Like I have mentioned in this article, the main thing is to stay within a budget and not overspend. We will keep travel expenses down, hotels, etc….We aren’t going to go out and spend an incredible amount of money on things in the first year so that there is a 2nd year. I can tell you a lot of reasons for franchises folding. We have kept the traveling distance to a minimum except for the Whitefish team. And they will not travel to Oregon and then back. They will be on 12 game road trips and 12 game home stands. We are securing a good deal on a bus for Glacier and the schedule was made to keep their travel costs down. Everything is done with the budget in mind and spending what we have wisely. The sponsorships and season ticket sales are coming in nicely and we will make the conditions the best we can for fans, players and staff.

Is there anything else that you would like the readers to know about you and the MRPBL?
I’d like to say a few things. I love this game. I want the best for the cities, fans, players, coaches and everyone involved. I understand the enormous undertaking that this is. We have one motto…..the players are the show, and the fans make it go. We will do our best to make the games exciting, fun and affordable. The amount of negativity is unreal among some people. 98% of people are excited about baseball. The players coming in are excited about the opportunity. Our cities are excited. Will it be perfect? no of course not. 98% of people wish us luck, the players luck, etc…the people who seem to root for Indy ball to fail, or can only see things half empty are sad. I don’t understand it at all, but if they loved the game they would root for it to succeed. This should be looked at as a great opportunity for players and cities. We will try to get it right, listen to people and improve. I appreciate you asking me questions and not just writing an article on assumptions and negativity. That is easy to do. I’m available to anyone and open to hear great ideas that can help us.

I would like to thank Mike Greene for his time as well as his honest answers. I truly hope that the Mt Rainier League is successful for years to come. It will be a great addition to independent baseball.

Check out the official Mt Rainier Professional Baseball League website HERE