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Q & A with the South Florida Winter League

Many readers have been asking about various winter leagues that will be taking place after the season.  One league that has been coming up in recent discussions has been the newly revamped South Florida Winter League.  I have interviewed Dennis K, the VP of Baseball Operations and Player Development, to clear up any questions prospective players may have about the league.

Who are some of your directors, advisers, and coaches for the league?

  • Mel Stocker, 9 years MLB/MILB Outfielder, will do a outfielder and professional conditioning clinic, addressing both during season and off season conditioning.
  • John Nestor, Clemson Grad/AA Padres and Wichita Wingnuts, will do a catchers clinic.
  • Kevin Hooper, MLB Detroit Tigers Infielder and current Wichita Wingnuts manager, will speak to all players on career advancement and also do an infielder clinic.
  • Head Independent Scout for the Baltimore Orioles.
  • Director of Scouting for the Baltimore Orioles.
  • Associate Scout for the Atlanta Braves.
  • Steve Shrenk, Philadelphia Phillies roving pitching instructor.
  • Jim HIckey, MLB Pitching coach for the Tampa Rays.
  • Reggie Jefferson, 10 year MLB player and now Agent for Reynolds Sports Management and agent for Tori Hunter and Justin Upton http://www.reynoldssports.com/,  will be educating players on what agents are supposed to do, how they conduct themselves, and the process of choosing a agent.

Coaches include:

  • Brooks Carey from the Normal Cornbelters
  • Hal Lanier from the Ottawa Champions
  • Director of Scouting for the Baltimore Orioles
  • Wade Guinn, Manager of the newly formed and NCBL Champions, the Newburgh Newts.
  • Danny Acosta, Area Scout for the Texas Rangers and Sports Psychologist

And not announced yet due to contractual obligations to their current teams are:

  • 2 coaches from the American Association, 2 separate teams represented.
  • And there could also possibly be additional coaches and representatives from the newly formed and only successful “start up” Independent league this year the NCBL either coaching or there to evaluate and sign new players.

Is this league pay to play?

Yes, this is a pay to play league – there is no doubt about that. It will be $800 if registered before Sept 15. After that, it will go up to $1000 because of having to add accommodations to the agenda.

What are the players getting for their money?

  • 40 games and their housing, (not food)
  • Professional Coaching staff, facilities and training
  • Uniforms – including pants, jerseys, hats, BP Shirts and practice shorts
    • (Players will be required to return the pants and jerseys, but they will keep hats and BP/practice stuff).
  • Exposure to some of the best managers and coaches in independent baseball who will be on hand, either the entire time or at multiple times during league play. The managers of the teams will be there all the time, and other managers are planning to attend to conduct a clinic or speak to players in a conference setting about career advancement.

Where will the league be taking place?

We are playing at the former Cleveland Indians spring training facility in Florida. We will be using the entire facilities, clubhouse, locker rooms, training areas, laundry facilities etc.

(Stadium can be seen in the header photo courtesy of littleballparks.com)

We are also very excited to have Vernon Koslow, the club house manager for the Sussex County Miners, as our club house manager for the entire league.

How many games are on the schedule?

There will be 40 games for each team. There will also be no releases or trades. Once you are there, you are there for all 40 games.

What types of players are you looking for to participate in this league? Is it just for rookies or can players with pro experience also attend?

One of the things that makes this a much different winter league is that you have to be referred into the league by a current professional coach/manager (independent or affiliated coach) or an affiliated scout. We are not just going to accept money from anyone who can pay. We want players who legitimately have a chance to play at a higher level than they were at last year, whatever that level was.

We DO NOT guarantee any players future contracts, but we feel that with our coaching staff and people involved, they will get more attention/exposure than any four hour tryout they have ever been to. Our opinion is that four hours or even two weeks is not a fair sampling of what a player can do. 40 games equates to 140-180 at bats for every day players and roughly 20-30 innings for pitchers. We will not let any pitcher throw more than 4 or 5 innings depending on pitch count per day, as we do not intend to risk any players futures. Our goal is to keep them in shape and hopefully help them improve.

Do you have a limit on how many players will be in the league?

Right now, there are 5 teams on the schedule with 24 players per roster, as there will need to be extra pitchers so no pitcher will have to over work their arms. However, one of the teams is owned and advised by a MLB Director of scouting. They will have their own team, and we have no say in who joins that team. You have to try out or contact them separately from the other teams

Do you believe the players will have a legitimate chance to sign a professional contract after playing in the league?

All of the managers are current coaches or managers in the Frontier, American Association, or Can Am leagues, so each of the leagues are represented.  It is our intention to keep every single players’ information available to every manager, coach or scout. So just because players are not “signed” immediately from the league or right after, we want to be the first call the teams make in the event they lose a player to promotion or, God for bid, injury.

We only want players who have that legitimate opportunity to play in the Frontier, American Association, Can Am, or affiliated rookie to high A level. We do have some guys transitioning from Double AA affiliated into independent baseball leagues who are registered already and will be coming to stay in shape and continue to improve. We will not accept players based on the sole fact they have the ability to pay.

What separates you from other pay to play winter leagues?

We believe the line that sets us apart is the fee – $800 for 40 games, which includes players’ housing. Yes, I said housing and NOT food, but there will be opportunities for players to take advantage of sponsor deals.  We are not doing this to make money off of players who still have dreams. We are doing this to keep players in shape and to give the inexperienced players an opportunity to get experience.  Plus, who does not want to come to Florida in October and November when its starting to get cold everywhere else?!

Where can players register/tryout if they would like to participate?

On our website www.southfloridawinterleague.com. They can also follow us on Twitter @SFWLbaseball or on Facebook, South Florida Winter League.

I just wanted to thank Dennis for taking the time and answering questions!

Why Isn’t Anything Being Done about the Evansville Cheating Scandal?

Two weeks ago today (August 4th), I was informed from some players within the Frontier League that big news was about to drop and an official statement would be made public by the league the following day.

However, an official statement was and has never made. The story that has been creating buzz around the league did come out publicly when the Evansville Courier-Press printed an article on August 6th.

It was discovered that an experienced pitcher with the Evansville Otters, Will Oliver, had turned 28 on July 4th, which happens to be against Frontier League age limit rules.

Frontier rules state:

No player or player/coach may have attained twenty seven (27) years of age prior to January 1 of that playing season with the exception of one player who will be designated as a “Veteran” player who may have attained thirty (30) years of age prior to January 1 of that playing season provided that he meets the qualifications listed below.

For the 2015 season, players must have been born on or after January 1, 1988 to be eligible, aside from the Veteran classification player (one per team) who must have been born on or after January 1, 1985.

Oliver does not qualify for Veteran status because he was not on a Frontier League roster for 100 games over the last two years. He only played with Evansville towards the end of the 2014 season, not nearly enough to qualify him as a veteran of the league.

What’s worse is that the team had presented three different birth years for Oliver.

Oliver’s real birthday is listed as July 4, 1987 according to Baseball Reference. During the season, he has been listed with a birthday of  July 4, 1988 and July 4, 1987 on different official rosters submitted to the league

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and July 4, 1990 on Pointstreak – the official stats website for the Frontier League.

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Oliver pitched in 13 games with the Otters with a 9-2 record and 1.59 ERA. Ultimately, the Otters ended up winning 10 games in which Oliver pitched, and the team is currently tied for first place with the Southern Illinois Miners.

Although he is not listed in any transaction page for the Frontier League, Oliver left the Otters at the beginning of the month and went to the Somerset Patriots of the Atlantic League.  On August 10th, he was quoted in an article on myCentralJersey.com saying:

I was in Evansville — and I found out from two other teams before my manager, which was irritating, but it wasn’t intentional because gossip got out fast — that I ended up aging out of the league due to a contract technicality,” said Oliver, who was set to make his team debut during Monday night’s game against the Sugar Land Skeeters.

The league commissioner approved my contract in April, so it’s their fault for missing it. Our manager sent me the contract in the off-season and asked if I wanted to play again, and I said of course. I loved it in Evansville, so it was a no-brainer. But I found out a few days ago that I aged out, and they’re nullifying my contract and I couldn’t play anymore. They wanted to take away my wins I had. I don’t think that’s going to happen, because that’s just not right.

From my research, this is the first time in the 23 year history of the Frontier League that anything such as this has occurred. Something needs to be done to set a standard and show that cheating and fudging birth dates to get around league rules will not be tolerated.

Since the story started spreading throughout the league, there have been many rumors on what is going to happen to the Otters. The first rumor was that the team has to forfeit the 10 games in which they won that Oliver had pitched. The next was that the team would be fined, but their record would be left as is.  The last one that I heard was that they would be forced to forfeit the games in which Oliver played in, but the teams that lost would not end up being credited with the win.

I’ve also heard many rumors among players that they believe the Frontier League will do nothing because the commissioner, Bill Lee, is very close to the Evansville Front Office and doesn’t want to cause any problems for them. The league has called in lawyers to investigate, but it appears as if they do not want to actually bring about a penalty to the team.

The Washington Wild Things Blog is the only other website I could find that even brought up this story.  It seems as if the Frontier League is hoping that they can sweep this under the rug, and no one would notice the difference.

With less than a month to go and the Otters tied for first place, the league needs to do something soon. If they’re worried about ruining the perception of the league by penalizing the Otters, it’s too late.  By not doing anything for over two weeks, they’re already ruining their reputation.